Watch, however, as the Bush apologists in the mainstream media try to spin this. First they'll claim nothing illegal was done, because this was done by the "commander-in-chief"--as though that somehow excluded the Bush regime from following the law. Then, watch as the paid liars over at Fox "News" Channel cry "liberal media!" whenever someone raises a point they can't lie their way out of.President Bush authorized White House official I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby to disclose highly sensitive intelligence information to the news media in an attempt to discredit a CIA adviser whose views undermined the rationale for the invasion of Iraq, according to a federal prosecutor's account of Libby's testimony to a grand jury.
The court filing by Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald for the first time places Bush and Vice President Cheney at the heart of what Libby testified was an exceptional and deliberate leak of material designed to buttress the administration's claim that Iraq was trying to obtain nuclear weapons. The information was contained in the National Intelligence Estimate, one of the most closely held CIA analyses of whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction before the war.
Fitzgerald is doing his job. He is rooting out the people responsible for disclosing the identity of a CIA NOC, in violation of federal law. And to that end, he is gathering solid evidence that cannot be dismissed.
You neocons had better wake up and accept the fact, if you haven't already, that your boys have repeatedly broken the law. And you had better accept that this fact means your bought-and-paid-for party, the Republicans, have so turned the public off that we're likely to see a significant change of power despite all the electoral fraud designed to maintain permanent Republican rule.
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do you really think the plame case is going to shift congress? do you relieze how minor an issue this is to 95% of americans.
PS, whats the theory on libforum?
First of all, this isn't a minor incident it's treason. Bush & Cheney very likely outed a CIA NOC (non-official cover), and in so doing not only broke federal law but jeopardized years' worth of intel gathering on WMD proliferation. This is a pretty major issue, and if Bush and/or Cheney get indicted, or maybe even Karl Rove, it'll cripple the GOP.
As for LF, I've been checking back and it's still down but at least I'm not getting a message saying the URL couldn't be found.
1) No, to MOST AMERICANS its a very minor incident. I doubt 10% of america knows who plame is
2) no its not treason. it may have been illeagel, but not treason.
3) You said you had a theory as to why LF was down, what is it?
No, to most Americans I'm sure it's quite a significant incident. Quit trying to spin your way out of this raven, this isn't something that's going to go away. It will keep popping up in the news until indictments for Rove, Cheney and/or Bush start happening. Count on it.
It is treason and that is a fact. You don't go giving up the identity of an American operative without knowing full well doing so can cause harm to said operative or aid enemy states looking to pass on WMDs secrets or materials.
I could tell you the theory, but I'd rather you heard it from NPH. And that's all I can say really, until I know more--which isn't much more than conjecture and I don't want to say unless I know for certain. But thanks for being so concerned about the forum.
1) No, your mistaking what is a big deal for you for what is a big deal for most americans. The investiagion has gone on long enough, has had enough turns that people outside the politically active arena dont' really care anymore. I asked my roomate (mildly politically intereasted, but no where near myself) if he knew who valire plame was and he goes "isn't she a pron star" and this is someone who actually watches not just the daily show/clobert report but also CNN and FOX. So no I am not spinning this, the GOP does have a lot of big problems on its plate regarding the electorate, but Plame does not rank up there.
2)no, its not treson. treason is defined as willingly giving "aid and comfort to our enemies" its been proven very rarely in our nations history, and usually then when we find out someone was passing on top secret info to an enemy or actively fought on a side opposing us in a war. this would hardly fall under treason, even your vague moral definition
3) I am not concerned, jsut curious. and your being so vague makes me more curious. I don't care if its the truth or not, i just want to know your thoery.
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Raven, the argument is settled; Bush and Cheney committed treason when they helped out Valerie Plame-Wilson as a CIA NOC. In so doing, they undid years of intel work on WMD proliferation and gave aid and comfort to enemy states and organizations seeking to acquire WMD knowledge and materials. This is the truth, and I said from the beginning that the truth would make some people angry. If you don't like the truth, that's neither my fault nor my problem.
Regardless of what you choose to believe, blowing the cover of a CIA operative just to get revenge for a lie that had the whistle blown on it is in fact a very big deal. It opens up doors that ought to remain closed. Seriously, had Bill Clinton done something like this you'd be all over him like a fly on shit.
Okay, since the forum is back up and I haven't heard back from NPH I'll say that his suggestion as to what might have happened was the forum's owner not paying the bill for it on time. Being a privately owned forum, regular payments must be made to keep it running. But not knowing enough of the facts, it remains only a theory, which is why I was so reluctant to mention it without proof.
Raven, the argument is settled; Bush and Cheney committed treason when they helped out Valerie Plame-Wilson as a CIA NOC.
no its not and no they didn't, t
In so doing, they undid years of intel work on WMD proliferation and gave aid and comfort to enemy states and organizations seeking to acquire WMD knowledge and materials. This is the truth, and I said from the beginning that the truth would make some people angry. If you don't like the truth, that's neither my fault nor my problem.
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no, they outed some low level "noc" who had no been a noc in 5 years, she worked from langely, which no noc does. she was "outed" because it was pertietin to the joe wilson dsicsusion, not for revenge
Regardless of what you choose to believe, blowing the cover of a CIA operative just to get revenge for a lie that had the whistle blown on it is in fact a very big deal. It opens up doors that ought to remain closed. Seriously, had Bill Clinton done something like this you'd be all over him like a fly on shit.
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and you'd be defending him.
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